Legend, where are we?

wecanseeformiles

While I am pleased with Jay’s success in other areas and am sorry that Legend didn’t earn him a crust, I think we’re all dealing with a situation where our vital information is being processed through software that is no longer being supported. There are two potential solutions to that:

One, is that we club together to pay Jay for vital fixes that we can agree on, or
two, Jay open sources the software so that we can have others fix or improve the software (I’m willing to have a crack at it myself.

Failing that, I will continue to use Legend for vital task management for the time being, while investigating the feasibility of migrating everything over to Tana.

I think Legend is a brilliant piece of software, but one or two bugs are now impinging badly on me.

scaryterry

I’m a bit stumped. I understand where Jay is coming from. Time is money and this is asking a lot of him to work on a project that currently isn’t paying. At the same time, if Legend isn’t being worked on for long stretches of time, won’t it lose momentum and user base? I want Legend to continue to improve. Posting about bugs on the forum is of questionable benefit if these issues can’t be met with solutions. I’m wondering if there’s any way—short of donating a lot of money, which for us average-Joe non-philanthropists is a tough sell—that we users can help put Legend back on a growth trajectory. I prefer Legend to the alternatives.

Yonz

scaryterry I am reading through every one of these messages going back two years to create an issue backlog. Rest assured that we will be chipping away at each of the items with monthly updates.

Yonz

Hello Everyone,
Jay & I have some exciting news to share next week; but the TLDR is that Legend will have a full team behind it going forward. Jay has accomplished a herculean feat building Legend & we will be working together to address all your concerns and live up to your expectations. Our #1 focus for the rest of the year will be bug fixes and customer feedback.

We will share more details in the announcement going out next week but please feel free to share your thoughts here, over email (contact@legendApp) or DM me over socials:
Linkedin - https://www.linkedin.com/in/yonz/
Twitter - https://x.com/devYonz
BlueSky - https://bsky.app/profile/yonz.bsky.social

Best,
Yonatan Feleke
Founder & CEO @ Vella.ai

wecanseeformiles

@Yonz I’m really delighted with this news. @Jay has built a fantastic product that’s class leading in many ways, and with a team behind it stands a very high chance of commercial success. I’ve been a paid customer for many years. I have also recently experimented with Roam Research, Reflect and Tana, as I was concerned about Legend’s long term support. They all have their highlights but none are as comprehensive as Legend. For example, the team at Tana offers only one way synch with Google Calendar, while Legend does it both ways. Legend offers an effective web clipper - Tana does not. A Tana node only offers one sentence capability in it’s inline notes, whereas Legend permits a fully formatted document. I could go on. Tana seems to thrive because it it’s marketing is superior and it has a much bigger community of evangelists supporting it.

Yonz

wecanseeformiles I completely agree, the product is one of a kind. We will invest in marketing and growth next year, for this year we want to make sure we serve all of you. If you are up for it, I’d love to sit down with you - https://cal.com/yonz/legend
-Yonz

wecanseeformiles

Thanks @Yonz and I’ve setup a time on your calendar. Looking forward to it.

ghuth

@Yonz If this offer is open to everyone, I’d love to take you up on it. If so, I’ll take a few days to collect my thoughts/notes so I make efficient use of your time. I’ve got a stack of bugs I’ve been sitting on that I can be ready to post once the access issues are sorted with the new forum (it seems like it’s not currently allowing any commenting or posting for new users).

PS, I can’t comment under the proposed September updates (in either the new forum or the beta updates thread) but I’m concerned. One says “Shift+Tab now = Command+[”… I’m begging, PLEASE remember that Tab (indent/embed) and Shift+Tab (outdent/de-embed) are long-established conventions on Windows. They’ve been the default in text editors, IDEs, and word processors for decades. Hopefully I’m misreading the intention of this particular proposed change, but I had to raise it just in case.

Yonz

ghuth Would love to chat, please do.

ghuth post once the access issues are sorted with the new forum (it seems like it’s not currently allowing any commenting or posting for new users).
Fixed now, there is a join space to post flow that I’ve removed now. Everyone can post.

RE: Shift+Tab
We won’t break any of the conventions, there is this quirky behavior where shift+tab doesn’t work as you expect it. Instead of being promoted as a parent, it drops to the bottom of a list. it works properly with cmd + [ though

then on shift tab

but on cmd+[

ghuth

Ahhh that’s a relief, thanks 🙂

Ok, I’ll get my thoughts together and book a time!

Yonz

I hope everyone got a chance to reach the announcement emails sent out last night (check your spam folder and if you are feeling generous mark it as not spam & then important). Reading this entire thread has gotten me fired up! Yes, there are challenges and we have our work cut out for us but the love you all have for Legend is clear.

SamMarrocco I don’t believe it could possibly be an underfunding issue. Understaffing, perhaps.
If it was purely a money issue, a simple solution would be this: Shut off the tap for free usage after 60 days, then you must pay for subscription

SamMarrocco It was an underfunding & understaffing issue, Jay is a beast for taking it this far.

SamMarrocco I’m continuing to deal with problems with the iOS app on iPhone, synching errors when it is left running, and Windows App problems where items I have deleted re-appear later as blank lines that cannot be deleted and corrupt documents.

We are investigating these, i’m looking forward to our chat. For folks that are willing to hop on a call with me, please grab a slot on my calendar

christophe I’m thinking in particular of this black connection banner that appears as soon as you open the mobile application on Android (bug for at least 6 months), it’s unbearable

christophe Is this still happening? We will look into the following

Problems with Mailbird are frequent.
We still can’t manage emails on Legend,
document management problem (impossible to delete old documents, impossible to permanently delete deleted items).

Eik I’m also very interested what the future will bring for Legend. A roadmap and actual commitment to the roadmap would be nice.

Eik We are starting to do this slowly with our planned for September section and will soon publish proper roadmap plans at https://community.legendapp.com/roadmap

SamMarrocco Communication in general on the boards and marketing seems stalled. When was the last time a dev posted a Legend Forum acknowledgement/response? Similar to Christophe, I was about to invest in a lifetime Legend purchase, but the lack of feature development for so long makes me nervous.

SamMarrocco We hope we off to a good start with earning back everyones trust, Improving comms and fixes is the #1 priority for the rest of the year.

andrew What it is now is actually much simpler (just a browser window rather than actual email client).

We are aiming to bring native email & calendar back for Gmail before the end of the year

christophe I’m sorry for these harsh words, but I need to know if I should continue or not on Legend.

christophe Answer: 100% continue, we will be making Legend better than ever.

wecanseeformiles @Jay my priorities/likes would be: bug fixes, multi-pane outliner capabilities, agenda pane (with google calendar integration, and ability to drag in emails and URLs I need to work on. The linking together of different records is something I don’t use much.

Noted

Jorge In my case only recently the Windows desktop app is no longer able to drag an email from the browser window with office 365 to the outline.
The permalinks in OUtlook would be ideal, but the very minimum is to be able to at least fire the search with the parameters of the email so that it finds it, that works for me in 98% of the cases and that is good enough.
I had to go back to mailbird to be able to continue moving my email into my outline.

Jerud After Google killed the OG Email Pane, I fell back to the Mailbird integration, which used to be robust and reliable. But now it isn’t – and I’ve stopped using even that. Do I still wish I could attach emails to my Legend items? Yes.

Jerud We will ship a mail.Vella.ai pane in to legend next week, only supports Gmail now but this means drag & drop will continue to work since it’s our webmail application. After that stop gap measure, we will aim to recover native Gmail while we scope out support.

Tons of love

inkblot A few months back I went onboard with the lifetime plan
The main weak points for me are the lack of task history for repeated tasks, alongside the issue where if a weekly task is missed, when you get to next week’s task you are obligated to mark as complete both the missed prior task as well as the done current task.

inkblot thank you for being a lifetime member ❤️. Can you add your feature request into our new space?

andrew he value I derive from Legend has always been derived from the ability to integrate Gmail and Google Calendar with all the tasks and information that I need to live my life efficiently and effectively.

❤️ andrew I might have to steal “live my life efficiently & effectively”

they86 I stumbled upon Legend (Moo.do) about 5 years ago and was hugely impressed: the core structure of the app is so much more powerfull than competitors like Workflowy, Dynalist, etc. The Boards and Panes are really unique.
I’m saying a prayer for this wonderful product! May it stumble upon millions and millions of extra users and thrive like never before! 🙂 🙂

❤️

Jorge I for one have been paying the anual subscription price for a few years and although I appreciate the legacy price, I am sure some of us are willing to pay the lifetime to give Jay a boost in money.

❤️

Jerud I am eager to do what I can to support the app. I’d love to just write you a monster check … sadly that’ll never be me.

❤️

Jorge

Yonz Gmail is fine but most people working for companies need Office 365 to work as well. I use gmail only for my personal stuff and office 365 for my work stuff.

To me seeing that you guys are picking it up with more responsiveness is a breath of fresh air as I was already dreading having to go hunting for another tool that wouldn’t equate to Legend.

Jerud

Yonz and will soon publish proper roadmap plans at https://community.legendapp.com/roadmap

At what point can we start using the new forum and ignore this one? I’m eager to close some tabs and simplify ; )

SamMarrocco

Jorge I suppose people saying “supports gmail” should really be saying "supports IMAP/POP3 Mail? Outlook (the app) can do that so should still be able to be compatible? You just wouldn’t connect via Exchange, using IMAP should be indistinguishable for email within Outlook/Office 365 true apps?

I can’t intelligently say the same about the web apps. To me web apps are always the bottom rung of capabilities compared to truly native OS written apps for many reasons.

Yonz

Jorge I appreciate the note and I agree, Legend is truly one of a kind. Give us till the end of the year and we will prove there is no other option.

Yonz

SamMarrocco Personally for Vella i hold our company to an unreasonable standard of privacy. We won’t do imap b/c I never want to save my email password anywhere. Plus you miss out on cool pieces like creating native Gmail filters if you don’t have OAuth.

ghuth

Jerud I’m concerned about the new forum… I posted about what I believe to be a major issue (this one). The forum said the post had to be approved. I’m can see a newer post that HAS been approved, but I can’t find my post anywhere. At least here the posts could be seen immediately by other users when Jay wasn’t available to respond… Currently I’m stuck using beta because prod keeps losing my changes, I’m desperate to make sure that beta isn’t clobbered because if that happens I don’t have a reliable version of the app to use.

Yonz

Jerud As far as I’m concerned, this forum is shut down, so please direct all posts to the new community page. I’ll lock it after it naturally dies out, probably in a month.

ghuth thank you so much for detailing out the steps, it will be incredibly helpful as we revamp sync over the next month and a half. This forum requires moderation but the new platform does not, please use the request submission on https://community.legendapp.com/requests for future posts. We can keep the current thread for now because there is so much info there at this time https://forum.legendapp.com/d/3662-latest-app-update-causing-issues/20

Jerud I’m frustrated that they dropped the new forum with no guidance on when/how to change over.
It hasn’t been dropped; there is a lot to process through it, but I check the new forum more often.

Jerud

ghuth If its as serious as it sounds I’d escalate by directly emailing the support account and DMing yonz bith here and at the new forum.

I’m frustrated that they dropped the new forum with no guidance on when/how to change over.

It does seem like it needs more testing. I got a notification of a reply to a post I commented on but when I visit the post I don’t see the reply even if I reboot / force-refresh, etc.

Yonz

Jerud It does seem like it needs more testing. I got a notification of a reply to a post I commented on but when I visit the post I don’t see the reply even if I reboot / force-refresh, etc.

I deleted a post maybe that was it. Have you seen more issues with the community page?

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